Question: Who do youthink manufactured Covid-19?
An epidemic is generally a naturalphenomenon, but can also be an act of war. The Chinese government has publiclyasked the United States to shed full light on the incident that occurred intheir military laboratory in Fort Detrick, while the American government hasasked for the same transparency for the laboratory in Wuhan. Of course neitherstate has agreed to open its laboratories. This is not ill will, but a militarynecessity. So we should stop there.
Incidentally, it is irrelevant because,over time, these two hypotheses seem to be wrong: neither of these two powerscontrols this virus. From a military point of view, it is not a weapon, but ascourge.
So you do not rule outthe possibility that this virus could have escaped from one of theselaboratories by mistake?
It’s still a possibility, but it’s notgetting us anywhere. We have to rule out sabotage because it wouldn’t benefitanyone. The other possibility is that it was an accident. In that case, it isindividuals who are guilty of it. It does not make sense to blame states.
How do you assess thepolitical response to the epidemic?
The role of political leaders is toprotect their people. To do so, they must prepare their countries in normaltimes to be able to respond to future crises. But the West has evolved in sucha way that this mission has been lost sight of. Voters now demand that statesshould cost as little as possible and that political staff should run them likebig business. As a result, there are no Western political leaders today who seebeyond the tip of their noses.
Men like Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinpingare called "dictators" only because they have a strategic vision oftheir function, representing a school of thought that Westerners consideroutdated.
In this case, however, they found anexpert, Professor Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, who persuaded themthat the Great Grim Reaper was coming: half a million deaths to come in France,even more in the United Kingdom, more than double that in the United States.His prophecies were 2,500 times the death rate in China. Yet this statisticianhas a habit of prophesying calamities without fear of exaggeration. Forexample, he predicted that bird flu would kill 65,000 Britons, but in total itcaused only 457 deaths . 1] Fortunately, he has just been firedby Boris Johnson of the SAGE, but the damage is done .
In panic, Western political staffrushed to the advice of an international health authority. The WHO rightlyconsidered that this epidemic was not its priority in comparison to other muchmore deadly diseases, so they turned to CEPI, whose director, Dr. RichardHatchett, they all know. They met him at the Davos Economic Forum or at theMunich Security Conference. They have all been approached by him at one time oranother to fund the vaccine industry.
It so happens that this gentleman, whenhe worked at the White House, was one of the two authors of the healthcomponent of Donald Rumsfeld’s political project for the world  In 2001, Rumsfeld was planning ageographic division of the world economy. Raw materials would be exploited inunstable areas, processed products in stable states (including Russia andChina), and weapons only in the USA. It was therefore necessary to militarizeUS society and to transfer the majority of workers to arms companies.
It was this plan that Dr RichardHatchett took out of his drawers and presented to Western leaders who asked hisadvice. It must be understood that widespread mandatory containment has neverexisted.
It has nothing to do with the isolationof patients. It is not a medical measure at all. It is a means oftransforming societies.
The confinement of thecity of Wuhan in early 2020 was a political measure by the central governmentto take back control of this mismanaged province, not a medical measure.
Perhaps, but in France we are notconfined to fight the disease, but to spread it out over time so as not tooverburden hospitals, to prevent us from having to choose between the patientswe could treat and those we should let die.
Not at all. This argument did not comebefore, but after the decision was made. It is just an excuse for politicians to mismanage.It is true that, in France, the intensive care units in public hospitals werequickly saturated in two regions. Patients undergoing intensive care weretherefore transferred to other regions or even to Germany. But there wereplenty of beds available in private clinics.
This is what I said at the beginning ofthis conversation:
Our political leaders are incapable ofmanaging crises.
Okay for the hospitalsand the tests, but you also challenged the masks.
Yes, for a century now, health workershave attested to the usefulness of surgical masks in operating theatres andduring post-operative care. But these situations have nothing to do with thesituation of the average person today.
At present, a large number of unionsand academies recommend that masks should be compulsory for everyone in publicplaces. This is reassuring, but it is useless in the face of Covid-19.Moreover, for lack of surgical masks, we end up wearing any piece of fabriccovering the nose and mouth but without the filtering qualities of surgicalmasks. Contrary to popular belief, contamination does not occur through thesputum itself, but through the viruses it spreads in the air up to 8 metresaway from a person who screams or sneezes. However, one has to be receptive tothis virus to be contaminated, which is not the case for everyone. And you haveto have a weakened immune system to develop this disease.
Because they don’t know what to do, ourrulers resort to generalized confinement and masks for everyone. No one hasproven that these measures have an impact on the epidemic, but everyonebelieves in them. This is the collapse of Western culture: in the past we usedto think calmly, today we wear greyish-grey, masks, we are sinking into magic.
There is a child who diedfrom Covid-19 in France.
But then if confinementis absurd and masks are useless, what should be done?
Public Health does not insure itselfwith constraints, but with trust. And no one should be protected againsthimself. It seems unworthy to me to prevent elderly people from receiving theirfamilies if they wish to do so. Perhaps they will be contaminated, perhaps theywill get sick and perhaps they will die, but that will be their choice. The onlything we know for sure when we are born is that we will die. Life is a longroad to prepare for it and old people have the right to prefer to live withtheir loved ones rather than a few more years.
Epidemics are always treated in thesame way: hygiene measures ~ washing and airing ~ and isolating the sick athome or in the hospital in order to treat them. Everything else is just cinema.We have to go back to the basics and not imagine constraints.
How is it possible thatour leaders have imposed a US fascist project on us?
Dr. Hatchett never had to answer forhis totalitarian project in the US. But neither did Donald Rumsfeld. Andultimately no one has ever had to answer for what happened after the attacks ofSeptember 11, 2001, because we collectively decided not to shed light on the attacksthemselves. So this original crime has not ceased to have consequences. TheObama administration continued to faithfully implement Project Rumsfeld inLibya, Syria and Yemen (the Cebrowski doctrine).
And since the Trump administration hasstrongly opposed it, we see Rumsfeld’s former collaborators continuing his workthrough structures other than the US federal state. Whether we like it or not,this will continue until this matter is reopened.
Excuse me for going back,but if compulsory, generalized containment was only an authoritarian measurewith no medical purpose, why is it so difficult to end the lockdown?
The curves of the epidemic are more orless the same in all affected countries, whatever measures are put in place.Only two types of countries stand out:
On the one hand, those that for some unknownreason have not been affected, such as those in the Indochinese peninsula(Vietnam-Laos-Cambodia-Thailand);On the other, those that have reactedmuch more quickly than others by immediately isolating the sick and treatingthem, such as Taiwan.So no matter how we end lockdown, therewill certainly be a greater or lesser number of infected people, but thatshould not have an impact.
Both the vaccine and the new drugs haveconsiderable economic stakes. Some pharmaceutical companies will do anything toprevent doctors from treating people with cheap drugs. Remember how DonaldRumsfeld, when he was head of Gilead Science, shut down the Al-Shifa factorythat made AIDS drugs without paying royalties: he had it bombed by DemocratBill Clinton claiming it was owned by Al Qaeda, which was absolutely false. Infact, Dr. Hatchett now heads the largest vaccine association, CEPI.
What will happen now?
Mandatory generalized confinement hadbeen conceived by Donald Rumsfeld’s team to transform US society. This projectwas not applied in the USA, but fifteen years later in Europe. The transferfrom one continent to another illustrates the transnational character offinancial capitalism of which Rumsfeld is the pure product. There is no reasonwhy those who financed the Rumsfeld team should not pursue their politicalproject now in Europe.
In that case, in the years to come, avery large proportion of European workers will be transferred to the armsindustry. NATO, which President Macron believed to be brain-dead, and itscivilian component, the European Union, whose members have been tearing eachother apart in recent weeks to steal loads of masks, will be reorganized.
These two organizationswill continue the systematic destruction of all state structures in the BroaderMiddle East, which began in 2001, and then in the Caribbean Basin.
Epidemics do not cause revolutions, butwars and economic disasters do. Today, through the fault of our rulers, the EUeconomies are ruined and we are preparing for war. We are going to go through apivotal time from which the best and the worst can emerge.
France has already experienced such adrama. It was in 1880-81, when the industrial capitalism of the time was nolonger able to exploit the workers in the face of the beginnings of the tradeunions. Jules Ferry expelled some religious congregations and created thecompulsory secular school in order to wrest children from the influence of theCatholic Church. He had them educated by supporters of militarism, the"black hussars". He made them the soldiers of his colonial project.For 35 years, France enslaved many foreign peoples, then began a rivalry withthe emerging power of the time, Germany, and found itself precipitated into theFirst World War.